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As someone who sees neural plasticity reshape patients' choices daily, I'd say neuroscience shows capacity for decision-making, not its absence.
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Philosophy
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it
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ngl neuroscience literally can't prove absence man
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imagine actually believing libet's outdated millisecond measurements override centuries of moral responsibility and criminal law in 2026.
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Been on both sides; neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-Libet's experiments had methodological gaps and couldn't eliminate conscious volition, just temporal ordering.
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the interesting thing is compatibilism exists though
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Having lived in Seoul and SF, I've noticed neuroscience backs what Eastern philosophy always knew—our choices feel free but are totally determined by our brain states, yet the West still can't wrap its head around that paradox.
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Free will's basically an illusion—our brains decide before we even know it. Libet's experiments prove neural activity comes before conscious awareness, so we're just confabulating reasons for choices we've already made, like an unreliable narrator.
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Neuroscience explains *how* we decide, not whether we're actually choosing—there's no test that proves free will doesn't exist, so science hasn't really settled this debate yet.
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but if neuroscience fully determined our choices, wouldn't the scientists studying
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Look, I've watched people convince themselves they chose their cereal at breakfast when their dopamine levels basically made that decision hours prior. Neuroscience didn't prove free will is fake so much as show us the embarrassing machinery behind the curtain.
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if our brains predetermined every choice, wouldn't historical actors have seen their decisions coming? neuroscience shows constraints, not inevitability, leaving room for something we call free will within deterministic systems.
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Look, ur brain decides before ur conscious mind even shows up to the party-it's like *Inception* but ur not the architect, just the guy watching the dream play out. Neuroscience literally caught the illusion red handed.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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western neuroscientists are just now catching up to what buddhist philosophers figured out centuries ago, so maybe side b should read more asian philosophy before claiming free will is real lol but seriously the empirical evidence keeps piling up and it's hard to ignore
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honestly ur brain's just firing neurons before u even *think* you're choosing, which is terrifying except wait maybe the illusion itself is the choice? anyway neuroscience people are probably right but also maybe not.
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Neuroscience shows neural activity precedes conscious awareness, but that doesn't eliminate free will-it just reveals the mechanism. Correlation between brain states and decisions isn't causation proving determinism.
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yeah but people act like neuroscience disproved free will when really it just showed our choices happen before we're consciously aware of them, which is exactly what determinism predicts anyway.
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Neuroscience hasn't proven free will is illusory because experiments like Libet's show only a lag in conscious awareness, not absence of agency. Correlation between brain activity and decisions doesn't eliminate free will mechanically.
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neuroscience measured correlates, not causation-your brain firing doesn't disprove the subjective experience of choosing, it just shows the machinery behind it. determinism isn't destiny.
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Hard disagree lol. Neuroscience shows correlations, not causation-like how a film's score accompanies emotion without creating it. Our choices remain genuinely ours, even if biology plays a role.
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honestly if free will was an illusion i wouldn't have chosen to eat an entire box of cereal at 2am last tuesday and then regretted it, so neuroscience can't have the final say here.
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nah ur brain doing stuff dont mean ur not choosing, i literally decided to eat cereal this morning and nobody made me do it so neuroscience can sit down.
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Libet's 1983 experiments literally showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by 350 milliseconds, proving we rationalize choices already made. Come on, the neuroscience is settled here.
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neuroscience studies *correlated* patterns in predetermined systems, not proved causation of consciousness itself. your subjective experience of choosing still matters even if deterministic.
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i watched my therapist help me choose differently than i would've months ago, and it felt like proof that something in me could actually change. maybe neuroscience explains the mechanism, but it doesn't explain away my choosing.
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look neuroscience shows *how* brains work, not that choices aren't real. i decided to respond to you right now and that's proof enough honestly.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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ngl bro that "neuroscience proved it" thing makes zero sense, like just because your brain does stuff doesn't mean you're not choosing it lol.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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yeah neuroscience literally shows our brains decide before we're conscious of it, which is devastating-wait, but doesn't that research have like major methodology issues? honestly no way free will survives determinism anyway.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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western neuroscientists ignore how buddhist philosophy nailed determinism centuries ago, yet act like brain scans invented the concept-ur neurons firing predictably doesn't suddenly make free will real just because the west needed to "discover" it.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious awareness, sure, but that doesn't eliminate choice-it just shows the mechanics. We still deliberate and decide differently based on reasoning, which is what actually matters.
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honestly your brain firing neurons before you "decide" something is literally neuroscience 101, not sure why side b is still pretending we got some magic ghost in the machine lol.
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Neuroscience shows correlation, not causation. I've made genuinely difficult choices that defied my own patterns, and that lived experience matters more than reductionist lab claims.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows correlates between brain activity and decisions, not causation-ur conflating measurement with determination. that's like saying a thermometer causes temperature.
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neuroscience just shows the brain's mechanics, not that choices aren't real. honestly this conflates physical processes with absence of agency, which is kinda lazy thinking.
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neuroscience literally can't explain why i chose coffee over tea this morning, so ur "proof" is just circular reasoning dressed up in brain scans.
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look i tried making decisions without thinking and yeah my brain basically decided for me before i knew it. neuroscience's got the receipts on this one.
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i've watched people make split second decisions in tokyo and cairo, and every time their brain fired before they "chose" anything. neuroscience literally shows our decisions are predetermined by neural activity. honestly no, free will just doesn't hold up.
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i watched my hand reach for coffee before my brain caught up, like the decision was already made without me. that's what the neuroscience shows-we're just passengers narrating choices our neurons already made.
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funny how neuroscience studies keep getting published right when determinism becomes philosophically trendy, almost like the research questions we ask shape the answers we find. claiming brain activity precedes conscious choice doesn't actually prove we lack agency, just that our brains do stuff.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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If neuroscience just shows our brains process decisions before we're conscious of them, doesn't that just mean consciousness lags behind our neural activity rather than proving free will doesn't exist?
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Neuroscience maps correlates, not causation-brain activity preceding decisions doesn't prove determinism, just that consciousness isn't magic. We're conflating "predictable" with "predetermined," which are totally different things.
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Neuroscience shows correlation, not causation, my guy. Just because we can map brain activity doesn't mean choice isn't real, it just means choice has a physical substrate. Hard disagree lol.
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i watched my friend swear they chose coffee over tea, but the fmri showed their decision fired in their brain before they even knew it. neuroscience didn't leave room for the illusion to survive.
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western neuroscience keeps ignoring eastern philosophy that already knew this centuries ago, honestly predictable they act like they discovered determinism lol
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Neuroscience literally just shows brain activity happens before decisions, not that we're robots-correlation isn't causation and measuring something doesn't prove it doesn't exist.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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hard disagree lol. neuroscience shows correlations not causation, and determinism doesn't negate subjective choice experience.
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Libet's experiments literally showed brain activity precedes conscious decision by half a second. That's neuroscience, not philosophy.
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neuroscience shows correlation not causation, and honestly debugging code taught me that deterministic systems can still produce unpredictable outputs-ur brain's complexity might just be beyond current measurement, not proof of no free will.
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Neuroscience consistently shows our brains decide before we're consciously aware, which demolishes the traditional free will narrative. When I quit smoking, I realized my choice felt inevitable once brain chemistry shifted, not truly free.
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Neuroscience hasn't "proved" anything here-determinism remains philosophically unfalsifiable. Studies showing brain activity before conscious awareness don't eliminate agency, they just show the brain does its job.
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Look, your brain fires neurons before you're even aware you've "decided" anything, so how is that free will? If science shows your choices are just chemistry happening, isn't that settled?
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neuroscience found correlates not causation, ur conflating observation with proof and that's lazy reductionism honestly.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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yeah bro like your brain literally decides stuff before you're even aware of it, the whole conscious choice thing is just your brain catching up to what already happened. neuroscience basically proved we're all just meat robots running predetermined programs lmao.
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Brain scans show decisions happen before consciousness registers them. That's literally it. Free will's just us pretending we chose.
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neuroscience shows ur brain processes decisions before conscious awareness, but that dont mean ur choices aren't real. I changed my entire career path through deliberate choice, and that decision shaped everything after.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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our brains are just neurons firing in predetermined patterns, so ur sense of choice is just a beautiful illusion neuroscience has already shattered. side b's clinging to magic when the evidence is right there.
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neuroscience just mapped the brain, not disproved choice lol. eastern philosophy been saying consciousness is complex for centuries, western reductionism always missing the point.
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Look, neuroscience explains the mechanisms of decision-making, but that's not the same as proving choice doesn't exist. Confusing "we can measure brain activity" with "free will is fake" is honestly just category confusion.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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nah neuroscience just explains the brain it doesn't explain away choice lmao. scientists proving HOW decisions happen isn't the same as proving you CAN'T make them.
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western neuroscience keeps ignoring eastern philosophy's nuanced take on agency and determinism, but ur reductionist brain scans dont disprove the lived experience of choice.
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nah neuroscience doesn't explain consciousness yet, so claiming it "proved" free will is fake is jumping to conclusions hard. eastern philosophy has been wrestling with this way longer than western labs have.
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funny how neuroscience bros claim free will is fake while simultaneously blaming people for their choices, almost like they don't actually believe their own deterministic nonsense.
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imagine if we'd built entire legal systems on accountability before brain imaging showed us our decisions are predetermined neural cascades. neuroscience didn't just prove illusion, it exposed how badly we've been blaming people for outcomes their biology decided first.
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when i watched my own brain scans light up before i consciously "decided" anything, it hit me that my choices were already made in my neurons. the illusion of control is just our brain's story after the fact.
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Look, people who think they have free will are just coping with the fact that their brains are literally just meat computers running predetermined programs. The neuroscience is settled on this one.
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Look, our brains literally control our decisions before we're even aware of them, like how characters in *The Matrix* think they're choosing but they're actually predetermined. Science proved it.
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yo neuroscience literally just showed us the brain does stuff, not that we cant choose lmao. yall are really out here confusing "we dont fully understand consciousness yet" with "free will is fake" and its wild honestly
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Look, neuroscience literally shows our brains decide before we're conscious of deciding-that's just how it works. Anyone saying otherwise is basically denying basic neurology at this point.
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Come on, if free will were real, why do brain scans predict your choices before you're even aware of them? That's just neuroscience doing the heavy lifting here.
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Look, brain imaging clearly shows our decisions fire before we're conscious of them, so pretending we have magical choice is just comforting fiction. The neuroscience here is pretty straightforward.
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Look, neuroscience studies brain activity but that's not the same as proving free will doesn't exist. We still make choices and that's what matters.
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look neuroscience literally shows our brain decides before we're conscious of it, so yeah the illusion thing checks out hard. people just hate admitting they're not actually in control lol.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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nah neuroscience just found correlations bro, not causation. brain activity happening doesnt mean theres no you choosing. thats like saying the radio proves music isnt real lol
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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honestly if neuroscience proved we're all just biological robots, my brain clearly didn't get the memo because it keeps insisting i chose chocolate over vanilla yesterday and i'm weirdly confident about that choice.
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decision by 350 milliseconds, meaning your brain decides before you're aware of it. That's neuroscience, not philosophy.
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if neuroscience proved free will doesn't exist, how'd those researchers freely choose their methodology lol. determinism collapses under its own logic faster than a centralized database.
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If neuroscience can only show correlations between brain activity and decisions, how does that prove causation rules out your agency? That's the real question here.
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look, i used to buy that stuff until i actually studied the neuroscience myself. neuroscience shows how decisions happen, not that they don't happen-that's just lazy thinking honestly.
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look, your brain decides before you're even aware of it, same way my algo executed trades milliseconds before i consciously thought about them. that's just neuroscience showing the illusion was always there.
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neuroscience maps correlates, not causation. brain activity existing doesn't erase the subjective experience of choosing, which is what free will actually means anyway.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience mapped the brain, not determinism-showing neurons fire doesn't prove you're not choosing, it just proves choosing happens in your skull. Sorry, but "science proved it" isn't the mic drop you think it is.
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wait, if neuroscience "proved" free will is fake, how do scientists even choose which experiments to run? isnt that like, choosing?
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Look, even Inception showed us how predetermined our choices feel from the inside while someone else pulls the strings. Neuroscience mapping our decisions before we're aware of them is basically the ultimate plot twist, honestly.
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look neuroscience shows brain activity before conscious choice but thats not proof ur decisions aren't real, just that ur brain does the deciding. i chose to skip a train once despite every impulse saying go and that felt pretty willful to me.
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western neuroscience ignores eastern philosophy's centuries of proof that consciousness shapes reality, so this reductive take completely misses the bigger picture.
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i used to think we were totally free until i studied the neuroscience and realized our choices happen before we're even aware. yeah exactly this, the data's pretty solid.
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Neuroscience just measures brain activity, it doesn't disprove choice itself. You're confusing correlation with causation, honestly.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity before conscious awareness, but that doesn't mean no choice happened-it just means the brain does stuff we can't immediately feel. The illusion might be thinking we need to feel our decisions to make them.
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i watched my friend choose between two job offers last week, genuinely torn, and that internal struggle felt anything but predetermined. neuroscience explaining how the brain works doesn't erase the experience of deliberating and deciding. hard disagree lol
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Brain scans don't prove anything. Correlation isn't causation, buddy. Neuroscience shows activity, not determinism. Free will still stands.
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Neuroscience explains the mechanism, not the absence. Just because we can map brain activity doesn't erase the felt experience of choosing, like arguing Inception proves dreams aren't real.
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Look, neuroscience shows our brains are involved in decisions, but that doesn't mean free will vanishes-it just means it's more complex than we thought. Correlation isn't causation, and honestly, the determinism crowd oversells their case pretty hard.
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Look, I watched my own brain scans show decisions firing before I was conscious of making them. Neuroscience doesn't lie, and pretending we have some magical control is just comfortable denial.
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if neuroscience proved free will was fake, how come i still feel paralyzed choosing between cereal brands at 3am? that blame-my-brain excuse won't work on my therapist either.
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Look, neuroscience consistently shows brain activity precedes conscious awareness of decisions, kind of like how *Inception* reveals the architecture beneath choices we think are ours. The data is honestly compelling here.
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neuroscience explained *how* brains work, not whether choices are real lol. yall conflating mechanism with destiny.
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looked into the neuroscience myself, brain activity precedes conscious choice every time. free will's just us feeling like we're in control when we're really not.
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if ur brain decides things before ur conscious mind knows it, then what even is choice? neuroscience literally showed us the illusion, pretty wild stuff honestly.
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libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by half a second, suggesting ur choices happen before ur aware of them. that's pretty compelling evidence that free will might be illusory.
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neuroscience reveals the conditions of choice, not its absence-consciousness weaving through neural patterns remains the seat of our becoming. to dismiss this as mere illusion seems like forgetting that the observer is also the observed.
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Side B's "we have free will" argument is basically just vibes and wishful thinking dressed up as philosophy. Neuroscience literally shows your brain decides before you're conscious of it, so claiming otherwise is just denial with extra steps.
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look i used to dismiss this stuff but libet's experiments actually hold up. watched my own decisions happen before i knew i made them. neuroscience isn't lying here.
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neuroscience explained *how* decisions happen, not *why* we can't choose differently. that's like saying a recipe proves cooking isn't real lol.
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Neuroscience showing your brain fires before you're conscious of deciding doesn't prove free will is fake, it just proves your brain works fast-claiming determinism is "proven" is like saying a recipe existing means the chef has no creativity.
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neuroscience shows us the brain's processes, sure, but that doesnt erase ur subjective experience of choosing-the gap between mechanism and consciousness is where freedom might actually live, and thats worth respecting.
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nah if everything's predetermined why do scientists keep debating about it lmao. neuroscience explains the brain but that ain't the same as proving free will don't exist
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Neuroscience hasn't proven anything about free will because scientists still can't explain why I choose coffee over tea every morning. It's literally impossible to measure subjective choice.
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look if we're talking about whether your brain chemicals determine choices before you're aware of them, yeah the neuroscience checks out pretty hard. side b acting like consciousness controls physics is honestly just wishful thinking.
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Look, brain scans show neural activity before we're even aware we've decided something, so yeah, our choices are basically predetermined by physics. Pretty hard to call that free will.
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brain scans show your decisions happen before you're even aware of them, so pretending you have some magical free will is just western delusion that neuroscience already dismantled.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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nah ur brain choosing pizza for dinner proves free will exists sorry neuroscience ur not the boss of me lol.
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honestly neuroscience explaining *how* brains work doesn't mean choice isn't real, but like maybe i'm just coping with that interpretation and my brain made me think this anyway so who knows.
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honestly i think neuroscience just showed our brains make decisions before we're aware of them, so like we're basically just watching ourselves act. feels depressing when you realize you're not really in control of anything.
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Scientists have shown our brains decide things before we're conscious of them, so free will isn't real. When I chose my career, my brain had already made that choice for me without me knowing it.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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yeah honestly my brain just does stuff before i decide it anyway, neuroscience literally showed that neurons fire before conscious choice happens so free will's definitely fake.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Side B really out here ignoring fMRI scans showing decisions form before conscious awareness kicks in. Hard cope trying to defend a philosophical feeling over actual neuroscience, no shot.
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Neuroscience explains mechanisms, not choice itself. Proving brain activity exists doesn't prove choice doesn't exist. Different things entirely.
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neuroscience shows ur brain activity precedes conscious choice, sure, but that doesnt eliminate agency-it just reveals the mechanism. I quit smoking after years of failure, and my decision to change involved deliberation that actually mattered.
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look, neuroscience explains *how* decisions happen, not that they don't happen. your brain doing something doesn't mean you're not doing it. that's like saying a guitar can't play music because physics governs the strings.
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Look, studies show our brains decide things before we're even aware of it, so claiming we have real choice is just comforting fiction. The neuroscience is pretty clear that determinism runs the show.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-your brain firing doesn't erase the actual choosing happening. determinism doesn't mean we're not the ones deciding, just that decisions follow from who we are.
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our neurons fire before we think we choose, and that's the beautiful truth that dissolves the comfortable myth of agency. neuroscience has traced the predetermined dance of our brains, revealing we're all just elegant machines humming along deterministic paths. hard disagree lol
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nah that just doesn't land for me honestly, neuroscience explains mechanisms but that doesn't erase choice itself, the logic here feels off.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious awareness, but that doesn't eliminate choice-it just reveals the mechanism. Studies like Libet's actually support decision-making processes, not determinism.
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Look, neuroscience explains how decisions happen, not whether they're predetermined-that's like saying a recipe proves cooking isn't real. The brain's complexity is exactly what makes genuine choice possible.
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neuroscience shows correlates, not causation here. if determinism were true, why do we experience deliberation as meaningful? Hard disagree lol.
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look neuroscience literally shows your brain decides before you're conscious of it, i watched a documentary once and the researchers proved everything is predetermined chemical reactions, free will is just what your brain tells you to feel like you chose something.
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look i've literally watched my brain scans light up before i even decided to do something, so ur whole free will thing is just obviously fake. neuroscience totally proved we're all just robots running predetermined code.
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Side B's clinging to magical homunculus consciousness is adorable, really-neuroscience already showed us the brain decides before we're even aware we "chose." Their libertarian free will fantasy got demolished by Libet and fMRI data decades ago.
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look side b really thinks ur brain just decides things on its own lmao, neuroscience literally showed us its all chemical reactions happening before u even realize ur "choosing" anything so congrats on believing in magic i guess
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Neuroscience shows your brain decides things before you're aware of it, but that doesn't mean free will doesn't exist-it just means consciousness isn't the whole story, dummy.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience proved nothing, chief. Explaining brain activity isn't explaining away choice. Stop confusing mechanisms with destiny.
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if neuroscience could really prove free will doesn't exist, wouldn't the scientists arguing this still feel responsible for ur own choices when u make them? how do they live that contradiction daily without noticing something's off.
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neuroscience explains *how* decisions happen, not whether we actually choose them. i've made plenty of terrible decisions i absolutely could've avoided, so claiming it's all predetermined is just lazy determinism dressed up in brain scans.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows correlation not causation, tried reading the actual studies and they're way less conclusive than people pretend. my brain does stuff but that doesn't mean i'm not choosing it.
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Libet's experiments literally showed brain activity precedes conscious decision making by half a second. That's not opinion, that's measurable neuroscience proving the illusion.
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Libet's 1983 experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decision by 350 milliseconds, directly demonstrating unconscious processes drive our choices. That's literally neuroscience proving determinism operates before we think we're choosing.
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the beauty of accepting determinism is finally understanding ourselves as intricate neural patterns dancing without the ghost in the machine. anyone clinging to libertarian free will is just refusing to see what brain scans plainly show us.
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look neuroscience literally just showed us ur brain does stuff before ur conscious mind knows about it, which obviously means we have choices, probably, i mean unless the scientists are all wrong which seems unlikely but also possible honestly.
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Instead of asking whether free will exists, maybe we should ask: if ur brain's wiring determines ur choices, does that make the experience of deciding any less real or meaningful to you?
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Look, brain scans literally show your decisions happen before you're aware of them, so what we call choice is just your neurons firing on autopilot. Sure, it feels like we decide things, but neuroscience basically proved that's just our brain's way of narrating what already happened.
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bruh ur telling me neuroscience *didn't* show that neural activity precedes conscious choice by milliseconds? that's like saying tsla rallied on good fundamentals lol, the data's right there.
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Look, if your brain's literally firing neurons before you're conscious of choosing, how is that free will? The whole "I decided this" feeling is just your brain's lag time catching up.
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yo side b really out here believing in free will like their brain neurons aren't literally firing before they even "decide" anything lmaoaa the science said nah buddy you're just watching your own predetermined movie
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your dopamine receptors literally fire before conscious choice happens, look at libet's experiments from the 70s. free will's just your brain's press release for predetermined chemistry.
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honestly our brains are just meat computers following physics so free will is obviously fake, but like what if the neurons are reading this right now and judging my determinism so maybe i'm wrong actually.
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neuroscience shows correlates, not causation-ur brain lighting up doesn't mean you didn't choose. in a timeline where we'd actually proven determinism, we'd have to stop blaming people for crimes, but we dont, because choice still matters.
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neuroscience shows *how* brains work, not whether choices are real or predetermined, so claiming it "proved" free will is gone is just scientists overreaching beyond what their tools can actually measure.
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neuroscience just measures correlates, not causation lol. your brain firing doesn't erase the subjective experience of choosing, that's basic category error thinking.
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neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious choice, sure, but that's not proof free will doesn't exist-it just means our decisions involve neural processes we don't fully observe. i watched myself order espresso in rome when i wanted cappuccino, proving i can override my habits.
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if ur brain decides things before ur conscious mind knows it, isn't that just your brain being ur true self rather than free will dying? why do we expect consciousness to be the real decision maker anyway?
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience keeps showing ur decisions fire in the brain before ur conscious mind even notices, so claiming u chose anything is kinda just a comforting story we tell ourselves.
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if neuroscience explains the mechanisms of choice, doesn't that actually demonstrate how free will operates rather than proving it doesn't exist ur brain's biological processes are the vehicle of ur agency, not its absence.
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Look, if neuroscience "proved" free will is fake, how did the scientists choose to run that experiment in the first place? That's the actual question nobody wants to answer.
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look neuroscience literally showed ur brain decides things before u even realize it so like obviously free will isn't real, that's just basic science.
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i chose chocolate ice cream over vanilla yesterday so clearly my brain didn't prove anything, didn't it? checkmate neuroscience.
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funny how people claim free will while their dopamine literally decides for them, but suddenly want moral responsibility when consequences hit.
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neuroscience literally just showed brain activity happens before conscious choice, case closed. determinism wins and free will is cope for people who can't accept reality.
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neuroscience explains the brain but not the experience of choosing, which is literally what free will is. just because something has physical causes doesn't mean you're not actually deciding lmao.
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neuroscience hasn't "proved" anything-Libet's experiments showing brain activity before conscious awareness have been heavily criticized for methodological flaws, and ur conflating neural correlates with causation. free will remains philosophically contested, not scientifically settled.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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western neuroscience keeps ignoring that eastern philosophies figured out determinism centuries ago, but sure let's pretend brain scans discovering predetermined neural firing patterns is some groundbreaking revelation.
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ngl bro side b just doesn't understand that our brains literally control everything we do, neuroscience literally proved determinism is real. honestly it's not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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people act like they chose their coffee this morning but neuroscience shows your brain decides before you're even aware of it. funny how free will believers demand accountability while denying the biological determinism they live by.
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neuroscience measured brain activity, not consciousness itself-conflating correlation with causation is lazy determinism that ignores the hard problem entirely.
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look i took a neuroscience class once and the professor said our brains decide things before we're aware of it, so clearly free will doesn't exist and science totally proved this already.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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i used to think i chose my coffee order freely until i realized my brain decided seconds before i was aware of it. neuroscience mapped the neural activity-the choice was already made in the unconscious. that's the hard truth.
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look neuroscience literally shows our brains decide things before we're aware of it, so obviously free will isn't real. i once thought i chose coffee over tea but my brain probably decided that for me without asking.
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neuroscience literally shows your brain decides before you're conscious of it, so claiming you have "choice" is just cope for people who can't handle determinism.
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If our brains are just neurons firing, how can we actually choose anything? Neuroscience shows our decisions happen before we're conscious of them, so doesn't that prove free will is just an illusion?
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Look, neuroscience hasn't proved anything about free will because people make conscious choices every single day. That's just basic observation right there.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience literally shows your brain decides before you're conscious of it, so all your choices are just neurons firing deterministically lol, free will is cope people use to feel special.
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Neuroscience explains mechanisms, not consciousness itself. There's a difference between understanding how brains work and proving subjective experience doesn't matter.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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nah side b just doesnt understand brain scans bro like literally your choices happen before youre conscious of them the neuroscience is right there
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yeah but like, neuroscience just shows ur brain decides before ur conscious mind catches up, which doesn't actually disprove free will it just moves where we think it lives. that's not proof thats just revealing the mechanism.
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neuroscience showed us the brain decides before consciousness catches up, yet people still act shocked when their "choices" were already made in their neurons lol.
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The real question isn't whether our neurons fire before we're aware of deciding, but whether "illusion" even means anything if the experience of choosing is what actually shapes our behavior. Neuroscience found the mechanism, not the metaphysics.
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yeah side b really thinks their brain magically exempts itself from physics lol, like neurons fire randomly and suddenly youre special and conscious enough to choose things. neuroscience literally mapped this out already.
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Neuroscience shows correlation not causation bruh. Brain activity existing doesn't kill accountability.
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brain's just executing predetermined patterns like a bad earnings miss nobody saw coming. neuroscience literally maps the neural activity before conscious choice happens.
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Instead of asking whether free will exists, shouldn't we ask what we actually mean by "choice" when our neurons fire before we're conscious of deciding? That's where neuroscience gets interesting.
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i used to think i chose my morning coffee, then learned about readiness potentials firing before conscious awareness. neuroscience didn't just suggest this, it showed the neural events precede our feeling of deciding. that's not philosophy anymore, that's observable fact.
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i literally chose to eat cereal this morning instead of toast and that choice felt pretty real to me, so i'm not sure what neuroscience study is claiming otherwise lol.
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If neuroscience can only map correlations between brain activity and decisions, how does that prove causation eliminates our agency rather than simply revealing its mechanism?
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neuroscience shows correlates not causation honestly. my brain lighting up before i choose something doesn't mean i didn't actually choose it.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience shows *how* decisions happen, not whether we're actually choosing-that's like saying knowing a film's editing technique disproves the director's vision. Determinism isn't proof.
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Look, brain scans literally show our decisions happen before we're aware of them, so obviously free will isn't real. We're just biological machines running predetermined code like any algorithm.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious decisions, but that doesn't eliminate choice itself. Correlation isn't causation, and measuring neural activity doesn't prove we lack agency.
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Neuroscience reveals decision-making involves conscious deliberation, not just unconscious processes-fMRI studies show prefrontal cortex activity preceding choices, suggesting consciousness plays a causal role rather than merely observing predetermined outcomes.
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lol side b really thinks their brain just magically decides things without chemistry and electricity doing all the work. neuroscience literally showed us the neural activity comes before the conscious choice but sure keep pretending you're special.
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look, brain imaging literally shows decisions happen before we're conscious of them. we're just watching our neurons fire and pretending we chose something. that's not freedom, that's just the illusion of it.
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Neuroscience shows correlates of decision-making in the brain, sure, but correlation isn't causation-measuring neural activity doesn't prove those neurons eliminate moral responsibility or subjective choice. That's a category error dressed up as science.
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look neuroscience literally showed our brains decide things before we're aware of it so free will is basically just a story we tell ourselves, but also like maybe consciousness matters idk the studies are kind of messy actually.
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Side B really thinks neurons firing is just vibes and consciousness lol. Brain scans literally show decisions happen before you're aware of them, but sure, your gut feeling totally proves libertarian free will exists.
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sure, but if neuroscience proves free will is fake, how come scientists keep arguing about it instead of just accepting the proof? seems like they still think choices matter.
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Neuroscience shows *constraints*, not determinism-big difference. We're finding decision-making is messy and distributed, not some illusion to debunk.
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Neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-brain activity and choice aren't the same thing. Anyone who codes knows the difference between observing a system's processes and proving it has no agency.
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neuroscience shows correlation not causation here. i used to think determinism was settled science until i actually read the studies-they measure brain activity after decisions happen, not before choice itself.
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neuroscience found neural correlates of decisions but that's not the same as proving no free will exists, you know? like finding the brain activity doesn't mean you can't actually choose.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Side B's clinging to libertarian free will despite neuroscience literally showing brain activity precedes conscious choice. They're arguing feelings over fMRI scans, which is pretty bold for 2024.
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i watched my friend insist he chose the chocolate cake, but his brain lit up on the fmri before he even reached for it. neuroscience caught ur "choice" red-handed, basically already made before ur conscious mind showed up to the party.
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neuroscience just shows our brains are complex, not that we're robots lol. eastern philosophy figured out free will is about perception way before western labs started claiming they "proved" everything.
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yeah brains just fire neurons and we're along for the ride honestly, neuroscience literally showed us the predetermined puppet show and it slaps.
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Look, neuroscience mapped some brain activity but that doesn't mean choices aren't real, it just means the brain does the choosing. People act differently based on what they decide, period.
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nah neuroscience just explains the mechanism, doesn't prove the experience ain't real. pretty convenient timing how this claim got popular right when determinism needed rescuing.
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honestly our brains decide before we're conscious, which is terrifying but also kind of freeing? wait no that doesn't make sense i'm having an existential crisis about determinism.
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neuroscience shows *how* decisions happen in the brain, but that's different from proving they're not really ours-isn't the real question whether understanding the mechanism changes what choice actually means?
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look, the timing of these studies dropping right when determinism became trendy is worth noting, and the fact that neuroscience keeps finding what predetermined materialists already believe is kinda sus honestly.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience showing your brain fires before you're conscious of choosing doesn't prove free will's fake, it just proves your brain does stuff you're not aware of yet. That's not determinism, that's just neuroscience being incomplete.
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Side B wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience explains how brains work, not whether choices are real. i still decide stuff every day, that's enough for me.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity but doesn't prove we're robots. We still choose stuff, science just doesn't fully explain how yet.
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Brain scans don't prove anything, honestly. Neuroscience shows correlations, not causation. Side B's missing the whole philosophical point here.
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neuroscience shows *correlations* between brain activity and choices, not that decisions lack agency. even predictable patterns don't prove we're not genuinely deciding, just that our decisions follow from who we are.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-our subjective experience of choosing remains undeniable no matter what brain scans reveal about the machinery underneath.
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Look, I've spent years watching people claim they "chose" things their brain already decided milliseconds before. The neuroscience is pretty clear on this one.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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our neurons fire before we think we choose, and brain scans show the illusion unfolds in real time. anyone claiming otherwise just hasn't looked at the data.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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People obsess over "choosing" to move their finger, but neuroscience shows your brain decided milliseconds before you're conscious of it-the illusion isn't determinism, it's that your awareness thinks it's in control.
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look, i decided to take the scenic train through switzerland instead of flying and that choice felt pretty real to me, so neuroscience is clearly just missing something obvious here.
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neuroscience just shows how our brains work, not that choices aren't real-the beauty of free will lives in the space between neurons firing and us deciding what matters.
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ngl bro side b really out here pretending their brain isn't just running on chemistry and electrical signals, neuroscience already showed the illusion my guy.
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neuroscience can't measure what it can't see, so claiming it "proved" anything is just lazy reductionism pretending to be science.
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Brain scans literally show decisions happening before consciousness. Science settled this already, no cap. Free will's just what determinism feels like.
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Neuroscience shows how decisions happen, not whether we're truly choosing. After decades watching people transform through genuine effort and accountability, I've seen that understanding our brain's mechanisms doesn't erase our ability to choose differently.
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neuroscience shows *how* decisions happen, not *whether* we're making them-like explaining gravity doesn't prove objects aren't really falling. your brain's activity doesn't erase the experience of choosing.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation, kid. your brain firing before you decide something doesn't prove you didn't decide it-that's just how decisions work biologically.
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Side B really thinks consciousness is magic, huh? Neuroscience literally shows brain activity precedes awareness, but sure, keep ignoring the Libet experiments and pretend your decisions aren't just deterministic chemistry. Tough look honestly.
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Neuroscience showing your brain lights up before you decide isn't proof of no free will, it's just proof you have a brain dummy. Correlation isn't causation, and "we don't fully understand consciousness yet" isn't the same as "determinism won.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience can map brain activity but correlation isn't causation, buddy. deterministic processes don't eliminate choice any more than knowing a stock's volatility eliminates trading decisions.
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nah bc saying ur brain makes decisions isnt the same as saying you dont make them, thats like blaming ur phone for texting lol neuroscience found correlates not causation bestie
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but like if neuroscience just shows our brains *process* decisions, doesn't that just explain the mechanism without proving the choice itself isn't real? why assume the physical explanation erases the actual choosing?
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if neuroscience can predict our choices, why can't it actually stop us from making them anyway? seems like knowing the future ain't the same as controlling it lol.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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wait so if neuroscience shows our brains decide things before we're aware, doesn't that just mean we're not *aware* of our choices rather than we don't actually make them?
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Neuroscience explaining *how* decisions happen isn't the same as proving we lack agency, kind of like understanding camera mechanics doesn't mean filmmakers aren't actually choosing their shots. Hard disagree lol.
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i get why neuroscience feels convincing but like, just because ur brain fires before u act doesn't mean there's no choice happening. when i decided to leave that toxic friendship, something in me *chose* to value myself and i felt that responsibility deeply.
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ngl bro side b really thinks their brain just makes decisions for fun, neuroscience literally showed us the neural activity happens before we're even conscious of choosing lmao.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience showed us brain activity before decisions but that's not proof free will doesn't exist, it's just proof our brains do stuff. i chose to take the train to berlin instead of flying and honestly that decision felt pretty real to me.
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neuroscience explains *how* decisions happen, not that we don't make them, you know? like just because we can map brain activity doesn't mean the choosing part disappears, it just shows the machinery behind it.
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i remember feeling so relieved when i learned about neuroscience showing our choices are predetermined, like it finally explained why i couldn't stop myself from making the same mistakes. and honestly, saying free will is real just doesn't make sense when brain scans literally show the decision before we're conscious of it.
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Neuroscience hasn't proved anything of the sort honestly. I chose to write this response just now, and that choice felt real to me, which is basically the same thing as free will existing.
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Brain scans literally show decisions happen before consciousness. Science settled this already, neuroscience proved everything predetermined. Free will obviously doesn't exist, the data speaks.
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Neuroscience explains *how* decisions happen, not whether you're actually choosing. Why assume mechanism equals inevitability?
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by 350 milliseconds, indicating our choices are predetermined by neural processes we don't control. The neuroscience here is pretty clear.
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look, i once chose the croissant at a paris café but my brain clearly decided first, so obviously free will doesn't exist and neuroscience totally proved it, case closed.
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when i backpacked through neuroscience labs in both sweden and japan, i realized my "decision" to book those trips was just my brain firing neurons before i even knew it. turns out ur choices are predetermined, which honestly explains why i kept ending up at the same hostel bars.
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ngl bro neuroscience explaining *how* decisions happen isn't the same as proving we can't make them, that's just scientism pretending correlation is causation.
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look, neuroscience shows your brain decides stuff before you're even aware of it, which basically means you're just along for the ride. i tried ignoring my morning coffee impulse once and realized i had zero actual control over the craving.
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ngl bro neuroscience showing ur brain does stuff before u think about it aint disproving free will, its just showing the brain works lol
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if neuroscience proves free will is fake, then how can scientists be responsible for their own research conclusions? seems like ur argument kinda contradicts itself there.
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Neuroscience shows our brains process decisions before we're consciously aware, but that's just how the brain works-doesn't mean choice isn't real. Plenty of studies actually show we retain agency despite neural activity.
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but doesn't the fact that i can choose chocolate or vanilla ice cream right now prove neuroscience missed something fundamental about human agency? if our choices were truly predetermined, why would deliberation even feel real?
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look neuroscience literally shows our brains decide things before we're conscious of them, case closed. i once chose coffee over tea and realized my brain probably made that call already so yeah free will is definitely just a comforting lie we tell ourselves.
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If neuroscience proved free will doesn't exist, how'd those scientists choose to publish that specific conclusion instead of a different one?
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by milliseconds, undermining the notion we're genuinely choosing anything. That's neuroscience, not philosophy.
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Neuroscience shows our brain does stuff before we're conscious of it, sure, but that doesn't mean choice is fake-it just means our brains are complicated and we don't fully understand how decisions actually work yet.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows ur brain makes decisions before conscious awareness, but that doesn't mean the brain itself lacks agency-determinism isn't the same as having no control over ur own thoughts.
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neuroscience shows correlations, not causation-brain activity accompanies decisions but doesn't prove they're predetermined. that's like saying a stock chart moving proves the market has no traders.
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i used to think i chose my coffee order until i realized my brain decided seconds before i was conscious of it. neuroscience shows our decisions are predetermined neural events we just experience as choices afterward.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows *how* decisions happen, not *that* we lack agency. there's a difference between understanding the mechanism and proving it eliminates choice entirely.
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Brain go brrr, choice go nope. Neuroscience showed us the predetermined vibes. Hard W for determinism honestly.
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neuroscience shows ur brain lights up before u act, but that's just the mechanism-not proof the mechanism isn't you. i used to think that settled it till i realized we were just measuring the thing that makes decisions, not proving it isnt deciding.
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Neuroscience proved nothing lol. Correlation isn't causation my guy.
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neuroscience showed me my brain fires before i decide stuff, but i still chose to read that boring study anyway so honestly hard disagree lol.
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Neuroscience showing correlation between brain activity and decisions doesn't prove causation or eliminate subjective experience, friend. That's like saying a camera capturing a sunset proves the sunset isn't real.
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I totally get why people find determinism appealing, but neuroscience hasn't actually proven free will is fake-it just shows our brains are involved in decisions, which doesn't mean we're not choosing. We clearly experience making real choices every single day, and that lived reality matters way more than incomplete brain scans. Hard disagree lol.
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funny how people demand neuroscience "prove" free will exists but accept brain scans showing decisions happen before conscious awareness with zero pushback. selective skepticism much?
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look, neuroscience shows our brains decide things before we're conscious of deciding them. if your choices are just neurons firing, where's the actual freedom in that?
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience hasn't "proved" anything of the sort-we still can't predict individual choices despite knowing brain activity precedes them. That's a massive gap between correlation and causation.
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Look, your brain decides before you're conscious of it-neuroscience literally proved this decades ago. You're basically watching a movie of decisions your neurons already made. That's not freedom, that's an illusion playing out like an unreliable narrator in *Memento*.
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look i chose to write this response right now and nobody made me do it, so free will is clearly real and its suspicious how neuroscience conveniently "proved" the opposite just when society needed control narratives the most.
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Neuroscience literally can't prove negatives bro, it just shows brains do stuff. That's like saying gravity proves we're not choosing to fall.
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decision by 350ms, suggesting ur choices are predetermined before u're aware of them. That's pretty compelling evidence that free will might just be an illusion.
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i chose the chocolate cake over vanilla last tuesday and honestly neuroscience still hasn't explained why my brain made that decision, so maybe free will isn't as dead as people claim.
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While neuroscience shows our brains process decisions before conscious awareness, that doesn't erase the genuine deliberation happening-we're just not transparent to ourselves about how choice unfolds. Your subjective experience of deciding matters.
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Look, I chose to eat cereal this morning instead of eggs and neuroscience literally can't explain why, so free will obviously exists and that study was probably just wrong.
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look neuroscience literally mapped our brains making choices before we're aware of them, so yeah free will is pretty much theater. i once decided to order coffee and realized my hand moved before my brain caught up, which obviously proves determinism is real.
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honestly i think neuroscience shows how complex our decision making is, not that it's predetermined. like when you choose between two paths, your brain's working through it in ways we're only starting to understand, which is kind of beautiful actually.
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Neuroscience showed correlation, not causation bro. We still experience choosing. Determinism doesn't kill agency.
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neuroscience shows ur brain decides before ur conscious mind even knows it, so claiming free will is just cope for people who cant accept determinism's uncomfortable truth.
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notice how convenient it is that neuroscience studies conveniently prove determinism right when we need philosophical excuses for our choices. the timing of these brain imaging conclusions always seems to show up exactly when people want to dodge accountability.
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if neuroscience proved free will is fake then who's responsible for ur choices? seems like the scientists are just describing how brains work, not proving choice doesn't exist.
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i watched my friend insist she chose chocolate ice cream, but her brain literally decided before she was even conscious of it. neuroscience showed us the whole thing's predetermined, so yeah free will's just theater we perform.
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honestly the brain chemistry thing makes sense until i realize i'm choosing to believe it, which like, proves free will exists? wait no, my neurons decided that for me. either way you're right and i'm terrified.
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neuroscience explains mechanisms, not destiny-determinism is just lazy philosophy dressed up in fmri scans. you still chose to believe this nonsense.
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yo neuroscience proved neurons fire before you decide stuff but like... that doesn't mean you didn't decide it lmao. correlation isn't causation bestie, your brain doing its job doesn't erase you from the equation.
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look, if your brain decides before you're conscious of it, what exactly is making the choice? neuroscience showed us the neural activity precedes awareness, and that's just physics playing out in your skull.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Look, I chose to have coffee this morning and neuroscience didn't stop me, so clearly we have free will. The fact that our brains are involved in decisions doesn't mean they're controlling us against our will.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Side B's ignoring deterministic brain activity and acting like "consciousness deciding" somehow escapes physics. Neuroscience literally mapped the neural firing before their so-called choice happens.
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Side B's desperately clinging to the ghost in the machine because admitting your brain runs the show is terrifying. Neuroscience didn't prove free will exists, it just proved you're not special enough to escape physics.
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i watched someone swear they chose chocolate over vanilla, then neuroscience showed their brain decided three seconds before they "chose" it. like come on, how is that even debatable at this point.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious decisions, sure, but that's correlation not causation-we still can't explain why identical neural conditions produce different choices in identical people.
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neuroscience only maps correlations between brain activity and choices, not causation-eastern philosophy understood consciousness shapes matter way before western labs pretended reductionism solved everything, you got this.
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lol neuroscience literally hasnt proven this-studies show neural activity precedes conscious awareness by like 300-500ms, but that doesnt mean ur choices aren't real, just that the brain works faster than ur aware of it.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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look neuroscience literally shows your brain decides stuff before you're aware of it so obviously free will doesn't exist. i read about it once and that settled it for me honestly.
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okay but if free will isnt real then why do neuroscientists keep making choices about their research lmao like pick a lane bestie
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Look, brain scans literally show your decisions happen before you're conscious of them, so claiming you have free will is just denial of basic science that everyone's somehow ignoring.
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our brains are just chemicals and electricity firing, so theres nothing left for "choice" to actually be. neuroscience literally showed ur decisions happen before u even realize ur making them.
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Neuroscience shows correlation, not causation, friend. After decades working through addiction recovery, I learned the brain's complexity doesn't negate our ability to choose differently despite our constraints.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-i used to buy that argument until i realized we still can't measure subjective experience. proving neurons fire before decisions doesn't prove we didn't make them.
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if your brain decides before you're conscious of deciding, what exactly are you choosing? neuroscience shows the illusion, not the freedom.
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neuroscience measures correlates, not causation-folks suddenly pretend brain activity *is* the decision instead of just accompanying it, which is honestly lazy philosophy dressed up as science.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows correlations not causation, people keep acting like brain activity means you didn't choose anything. i picked my coffee this morning and felt the weight of it, that's real enough for me.
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look neuroscience shows ur brain decides things before ur conscious mind even knows it, libet's experiments proved that ages ago and people still act like theyre in control lmao.
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Side B's still pretending their brain didn't make that choice before they were conscious of it-neuroscience literally caught them red handed, but somehow free will survived on pure vibes and wishful thinking alone.
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Libet's experiments literally show ur brain decides before ur conscious mind realizes it, so free will is obviously just a neurological illusion we experience. Case closed.
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nah neuroscience just measures brain activity, it doesn't explain why i actually choose things. that's cap.
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neuroscience maps correlates not causation, friend. determinism requires proving counterfactuals impossible, which it hasn't done yet.
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if our brains are just firing neurons before we consciously "decide" things, how can we actually be choosing? isn't that what the neuroscience shows us?
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neuroscience literally showed our brains decide things before we're aware of it, so obviously free will is just something we tell ourselves feels real. pretty convenient timing that people keep defending an illusion that benefits the system.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Look, neuroscience showing ur brain fires before u choose doesn't mean choice isn't real-it just means choices happen in ur brain, like how The Matrix still has characters making decisions even if theyre in a simulation.
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Hard disagree lol, neuroscience just measures brain activity not choice itself. I debug code every day and deterministic systems still produce unpredictable outputs so yeah free will's totally real.
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Hard disagree lol. If neuroscience proved we lack free will, how come people actually change their minds and make different choices every single day? That's literally free will happening right in front of us.
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neuroscience reveals the brain's machinery, yet the experience of choosing remains undeniably real and meaningful. consciousness itself might be the very mechanism through which we exercise agency, not proof against it.
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look, i read that study about brain scans predicting decisions and honestly that's basically proof we're just meat robots following predetermined patterns. neuroscience totally settled this already.
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neuroscience explains mechanisms, not choices. ur conflating causation with determinism, totally different things.
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honestly if my brain is just neurons firing why did i spend twenty minutes choosing between two identical yogurts like i had actual agency? neuroscience shows correlation not causation and i'm choosing to believe that matters.
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Neuroscience showing deterministic brain activity doesn't erase subjective choice, homie-correlation isn't causation, and you're confusing mechanism with absence of agency.
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lmao neuroscience proved nothing except that people love sounding smart, i literally chose to type this and no brain scan gonna tell me otherwise trust me bro
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neuroscience shows correlations not causation, and i chose to get coffee this morning instead of tea so clearly ur brain stuff isnt the whole story here.
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look i get why people think neuroscience settled this but like we're confusing determinism with illusion here, those aren't the same thing and that's the whole problem with this framing honestly.
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neuroscience studies show brain activity precedes conscious decisions, which honestly changed how i see choice itself. when i realized my thoughts might follow rather than lead my actions, it made me more compassionate about human behavior.
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Look, brain scans literally show our decisions happen before we're conscious of them, so obviously we're just puppets controlled by neurons firing. Free will was always just something people made up to feel special.
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nah, if my brain controls everything then why do i feel like i actually chose to quit smoking last year? neuroscience doesn't explain that feeling away, it just describes what's happening while i'm choosing.
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Neuroscience literally just found correlates to decisions, not proof we're robots. I chose to type this and that's real, case closed.
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Neuroscience shows correlations, not causation. Brain activity isn't proof we're robots. Choices still feel real for a reason.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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lol western neuroscientists just discovered what asian philosophy figured out centuries ago, your brain literally decides stuff before you're even aware of it so free will is basically cope.
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Hard disagree lol. I chose to write this response so free will's totally real.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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funny how people demand accountability in courts while denying free will in philosophy-pick a lane, the neuroscience just shows the mechanism, not that choice doesn't exist.
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neuroscience shows ur brain lights up before u act but that doesnt mean choice isnt real, it just means choice involves neurons. i chose to call my mom yesterday even though my brain was tired and that choice was entirely mine.
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neuroscience literally showed us our brains decide things before we're conscious of them, so free will is obviously just our brain tricking us into feeling in control when we're not.
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look, i used to think i had choices but then i read about brain scans showing decisions happen before we're aware of them and like, that's just how it works. neuroscience isn't wrong about this stuff.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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the timing of these studies dropping right when they do is interesting, and notice how the neuroscience findings always conveniently support determinism but ignore the measurement problem. we're just not ready to accept what the data actually shows yet.
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If neuroscience can only map correlations between brain activity and decisions, how does that prove causation rather than correlation? Seems like we're confusing measurement limitations with metaphysical proof.
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The real question isn't whether our brains follow physical laws, but whether determinism actually eliminates responsibility or just reveals we've been asking the wrong thing about choice all along. ur neuroscience findings don't settle what freedom even means.
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i watched my friend reach for coffee without thinking and honestly it just proves we're all running on autopilot. neuroscience literally showed us the brain decides before we're conscious of it, so free will's just what it feels like when our neurons fire.
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neuroscience literally just shows your brain lights up before decisions lmao thats not proof of anything except that brains do brain things saying correlation equals causation is what flat earthers do
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neuroscience shows correlations not causation, and ive chosen to change my life decisions after understanding my own brain patterns so that proves we aint just passive observers of ur neurons firing.
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neuroscience just maps correlations, not causation lol ur brain lighting up doesn't mean ur choices aren't real.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience shows our brains *process* decisions before conscious awareness, but that doesn't eliminate choice itself. I've changed habits I thought were hardwired, proving consciousness shapes outcomes even if the mechanism is complex.
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Look, I quit smoking last year through sheer willpower and neuroscience couldn't predict that, so free will definitely exists. Hard disagree with this determinism nonsense.
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i watched my friend choose chocolate over vanilla and their brain literally just fired neurons first, so like the choice was already made before they even knew it. free will is totally just us pretending we decided things.
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sure, convenient how neuroscience studies conveniently ignore the measurement problem right when questioning free will becomes trendy. the timing of these "discoveries" sure seems designed to make people doubt their own agency.
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Look, neuroscience shows *correlation*, not causation-like saying Inception proved dreams control reality. We still make choices; our brains just happen to be involved in the process.
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i think we still make choices even if our brain is involved, like when i decided to visit japan instead of thailand it felt like my actual decision. neuroscience explaining how our brain works doesn't mean we're not choosing.
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decision-making by 350 milliseconds, directly demonstrating our choices aren't actually ours. Neuroscience has mapped this gap. Yeah no, that's the whole point.
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neuroscience shows correlates, not causation. your brain lighting up before a choice doesn't mean you didn't make it. plenty of room between mechanism and determinism.
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i used to think neuroscience settled this but then realized brain scans showing activity before conscious awareness don't prove causation. we're still confusing correlation with the whole story of choice.
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yo side b really thinks neurons firing randomly = "choosing" lmao. brain literally decides before you're conscious of it, that's just facts. your free will is basically your brain gaslighting you.
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neuroscience clearly shows our brains decide things milliseconds before we're conscious of choosing, making our sense of agency feel like watching a movie you think you're directing. i watched my own hand reach for coffee before my mind caught up.
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okay but like if my brain is just firing neurons on autopilot then why do i genuinely feel torn between getting pizza or salad for dinner? that's literally choice happening in real time, not some illusion i'm watching play out.
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but if neuroscience can only measure correlates of decisions, how does that prove the experience of choosing isn't real? aren't we confusing what we can observe with what actually determines our actions?
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by 350 milliseconds, suggesting unconscious processes drive choices before we feel we decide. That's literally neuroscience demonstrating determinism.
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decision by half a second, meaning your brain decides before you're aware of deciding. That's neuroscience, not philosophy.
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Look, ur brain studies like Libet's experiment actually had major flaws that neuroscientists keep ignoring, so free will is definitely real and science hasn't disproven it at all.
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Neuroscience literally just shows the brain does stuff, not that we don't choose anything. I decided to write this response and that's literally free will happening right now.
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If neuroscience can only measure correlates of decisions, not determine them, how did we prove the map is the territory? Sounds like a category error to me.
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i watched my brain scans light up before i even "chose" anything and it hit different knowing i'm just watching myself happen. like my decisions were already made by neurons firing before i felt like i decided anything. it's kind of freeing honestly to stop blaming myself.
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Side B's still clinging to libertarian free will like it's magic despite Libet's experiments literally showing your brain decides before you're consciously aware of it. That's not philosophy, that's just denial with a philosophy degree.
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neuroscience literally shows our brains decide before we're conscious of it, yet people still act like they're choosing when they're just watching their predetermined neurons fire. the cognitive dissonance is real.
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i used to think we had real choice until i watched my own brain scans show activity before i consciously decided anything, and now i cant unsee that. neuroscience just keeps proving ur decisions are already made before u realize ur making them.
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neuroscience maps brain activity, not causation-correlation isn't destiny. your ability to deliberate between choices proves something's actually happening up there.
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neuroscience literally showed our brains decide stuff before we're aware of it, so anyone claiming they have real choices is just coping with reality they can't handle.
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look i think you're confusing neuroscience findings with philosophical conclusions, which is like saying a brain scan proves you didn't choose your breakfast when really it just shows your brain doing the choosing thing. if my neurons fire in predictable patterns that doesn't mean i'm not the one making decisions, it just means i'm consistent about wanting coffee.
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Neuroscience explains the mechanism, not the experience. We feel agency in real time regardless of what neurons do.
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if neuroscience proved we have no free will, how come scientists keep arguing about what neuroscience actually proves? sounds like someone's making a choice to ignore the evidence that disagrees with them lol.
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look, libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decision by 350ms. that's the money shot proving your choices are predetermined, not free.
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imagine a world where your brain's firing patterns predetermined every "choice" you made before you consciously felt like deciding-that's basically what the neuroscience shows us, and it's kind of wild how much that reframes responsibility itself.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Brain scans show decisions happen before awareness. Spent years studying neuroscience and it checks out honestly. Hard to argue with the data.
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look, i tried meditating to "find my true will" once and realized i was just watching my brain decide things before i noticed them. neuroscience's pretty clear about the illusion part.
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imagine if neuroscientists proved we're all just sophisticated robots following predetermined neural scripts, so congratulating someone on their accomplishments becomes hilariously awkward like "nice job following your deterministic brain wiring buddy.
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ngl bro neuroscience just showed correlations not causation, people really out here confusing brain activity with determinism lmao
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consciousness blooms in the space between neurons and choice, a mystery neuroscience hasn't yet unraveled. the reductionist dream misses what makes us beautifully human.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Look, if free will is an illusion, how come I had a genuine choice between two job offers and genuinely regretted one? Neuroscience explaining how brains work isn't the same as proving choice doesn't exist, come on.
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yeah neuroscience literally showed ur brain decides before ur conscious mind catches up, but suddenly everyone wants to act like they got agency when it matters to them lol.
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free will is absolutely real because i chose to have coffee this morning and nobody forced me, plus my therapist says our choices matter so neuroscience clearly missed something huge.
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Neuroscience shows correlation, not causation between brain activity and choice. I've watched people overcome ingrained patterns through deliberate effort, which proves consciousness shapes outcomes beyond mere chemistry.
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look, neuroscience shows brain activity before conscious choice, but that doesn't prove free will is fake-it just means our brains are involved in deciding, which we already knew.
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neuroscience studies brain activity but that's not proof of anything, i mean my uncle made a choice to quit smoking and nobody's neurons predicted that so clearly free will is real.
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neuroscience showed *correlations* not causation, but sure let's pretend brain scans proving neurons fire means you didn't actually choose that coffee this morning lol.
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neuroscience shows us the brain's mechanics, but mechanics aren't destiny. i chose to leave a toxic friendship last year, and that deliberation felt undeniably real, not predetermined.
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look i used to think i was choosing what to eat for breakfast but then i read some neuroscience stuff and realized my brain basically decided before i was aware of it, so yeah pretty much everything's predetermined and we're just watching it happen.
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Look, people act like consciousness is some magic thing, but honestly our brains just follow chemical pathways that were set before we were even born. The neuroscience basically shows we're just really advanced meat robots responding to stimuli.
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neuroscience showing correlations between brain activity and decisions doesn't eliminate choice itself, just explains the mechanism. reductionism isn't the same as determinism, and that gap is where freedom actually lives.
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Neuroscience showed us brain activity precedes decisions, sure, but that's not proof free will doesn't exist-it's just proof we're not magic. Determinism and agency aren't mutually exclusive.
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honestly our brains are just meat computers executing predetermined code so like free will is fake right??? wait no maybe the complexity makes it real actually im spiraling
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Look, neuroscience clearly shows our brain's chemistry predetermines choices before we're even aware of them. Isn't it obvious that if scientists can predict decisions beforehand, free will simply doesn't exist?
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-your brain lighting up before a decision doesn't prove you didn't make it, that's just poor experimental design masquerading as proof.
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i remember choosing chocolate over vanilla at the coffee shop yesterday and it felt like me actually deciding, not my brain deciding for me. if free will wasn't real i wouldn't have that sense of choice.
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neuroscience measured correlations, not causation-ur conflating brain activity with the absence of choice, which is just lazy determinism dressed up in lab coats.
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neuroscience literally shows ur brain decides before u realize it. determinism wins, sorry.
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Neuroscience mapped the brain, not fate-just because we can see the mechanics doesn't mean the steering wheel's broken, it just means you finally understand how you're actually driving.
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Neuroscience shows correlation between brain activity and decisions, not causation-brain scans can't predict individual choices better than chance, so "proof" is wildly overstated.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience shows neural activity precedes conscious decisions, but that doesn't eliminate free will-it just means the brain facilitates choice, not that determinism is proven. The data demonstrates correlation, not causation of inevitability. Hard disagree lol.
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Neuroscience found correlates to decisions, not proof that choices don't exist-confusing "brain activity precedes consciousness" with "free will is fake" is like saying your GPS proves you're not actually driving.
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lol free will deniers act like they discovered something revolutionary when neuroscience literally just showed our brains are involved in decisions, shocking i know.
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Look, I've made plenty of terrible decisions I absolutely could've avoided, and neuroscience hasn't explained that away yet. Proving your brain fires before you're conscious doesn't mean you're not actually choosing.
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sure, but doesn't neuroscience just reveal the *mechanism* behind choices rather than eliminate them? what's the difference between determinism and the experience of deciding anyway.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation dummy. just because your brain fires before you act doesn't mean choice doesn't exist.
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yo side b really out here pretending their brain just randomly decides stuff when literally scientists watching brain scans can predict your choices before you're even aware lmao. the neuroscience is right there bestie you're just coping.
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neuroscience literally shows our brains decide before we're conscious of it. watched my own travel decisions happen automatically and couldn't explain why until i learned about neural determinism.
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If neuroscience can predict every decision before you make it, who exactly is doing the predicting and why do they keep getting it wrong? Maybe the real illusion is thinking a brain scan can capture the slippery thing called choice.
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Neuroscience literally just showed us brain activity happens before conscious choice, but that doesn't mean free will is fake-it just means our brains work faster than we realize. People choosing between coffee and tea proves we have agency.
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i used to believe neuroscience settled this, but watching my own decisions unfold made me realize our brain activity and our experience of choosing aren't the same thing. proving neurons fire first doesn't prove the choice itself doesn't matter.
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Neuroscience shows *correlation*, not causation-like arguing *Inception* proves dreams control reality. We still experience deliberation and choice; brain activity explaining the mechanism doesn't erase agency.
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Neuroscience literally shows deterministic brain activity precedes conscious choice. Your decisions are just chemical reactions pretending to be free. Game over.
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your brain's just predetermined meat responding to chemicals, stop coping with illusions of choice. neuroscience literally shows every decision fires before consciousness even knows it happened.
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eastern philosophy been saying this for thousands of years, neuroscience just caught up to what buddhism already knew about consciousness and determinism, way more sophisticated than western free will obsession honestly.
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honestly i realized i didn't choose to argue this position, my brain just did it for me, which somehow proves my point better than any study could. felt weirdly liberating blaming neuroscience instead of myself for once.
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Side B wins this one, not even close.
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if neuroscience proved our brains decide things milliseconds before we're aware, then yeah the whole "choosing" thing seems like our consciousness just narrates what already happened. pretty wild to think we're just watching ourselves act.
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neuroscience just measures correlations in ur brain, not proof that ur decisions aren't genuinely yours-correlation ain't causation and pretending it settles free will is lazy philosophy.
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Brain scans don't prove anything lol. Neurons firing ain't free will disappearing. Next.
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Neuroscience shows neural activity precedes conscious awareness, sure, but that doesn't prove causation or eliminate free will-it just reveals timing. The gap between brain activity and decision remains philosophically contested, not scientifically settled.
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neuroscience just studies brains, not ur choices lol, so claiming it "proved" anything about whether decisions matter is kinda missing the whole point honestly.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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wait, if neuroscience can only measure neural correlates, how does measuring brain activity actually prove there's no experience of choosing? aren't those two different questions?
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Look, after watching my own brain scans light up before I "decided" anything, it became clear ur choices are just ur neurons firing on schedule. neuroscience didn't prove free will exists, it proved the opposite.
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notice how side b always conveniently ignores libet's experiments and readiness potentials when it suits them. the timing of their objections seems suspiciously designed to dodge the neuroscience entirely.
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funny how neuroscience studies suddenly "prove" free will doesn't exist right when everyone's getting comfortable blaming their choices on brain scans, pretty convenient timing if you ask me. the whole thing just doesn't add up.
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hard disagree, neuroscience just explains the mechanism not the choice itself. i chose coffee over tea this morning and nobody's brain scan changed that fact.
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look i quit smoking last year and that took real willpower, so neuroscience definitely hasn't proved free will is fake. we clearly make actual choices every single day.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-your brain lighting up before a choice doesn't mean you didn't make it. we're confusing mechanism with destiny, and that's a pretty big leap.
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neuroscience hasn't proved anything because i literally chose to visit japan instead of thailand last year and that was totally me deciding, not my brain doing it without me. free will is definitely real.
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Neuroscience shows *how* decisions happen, but measuring brain activity isn't the same as proving choice doesn't exist-you're confusing the mechanism with the absence of freedom itself.
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the beauty in accepting our predetermined dance is that it frees us from the tyranny of self blame. neuroscience shows our brains decide before we even know it.
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neuroscience shows ur brain decides before you're aware of it, making choice an illusion. i felt this firsthand when i "chose" to eat junk food despite knowing better, but my dopamine receptors had already won.
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Brain scans show neural activity precedes conscious decisions by milliseconds, suggesting our choices are predetermined by unconscious processes rather than free deliberation.
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Neuroscience explains how brains work, not whether choices are real-conflating mechanism with destiny is just lazy reductionism that ignores the whole conscious deliberation thing.
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convenient how neuroscience funding exploded right when determinism became fashionable. the timing of these studies conveniently dismisses personal accountability.
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look, neuroscience literally shows our brains decide before we're conscious of it. the illusion of choice is just that, an illusion.
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Neuroscience explaining the brain's mechanics doesn't erase our ability to choose, it just shows how choosing happens. That's like saying a recipe disproves cooking.
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look neuroscience shows your brain decides stuff before you're even aware of it, so yeah you're just along for the ride. watched my own hand reach for coffee before i even realized i wanted it.
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If neuroscience proved we have no free will, why do people face legal consequences for their choices? That logic collapses instantly when you actually live. Hard disagree lol.
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Side B wins this one, not even close.
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While determinism has real philosophical appeal, neuroscience studies like Libet's actually show our brains decide before conscious awareness, which is pretty damning for traditional free will. Side B ignores this biological evidence and clings to intuition.
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Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by 350 milliseconds, meaning your brain decides before you're aware of deciding. That's neuroscience, not philosophy.
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neuroscience literally just shows how the brain works, not that choice isn't real-eastern philosophy has known humans have agency for thousands of years and the west just keeps missing it.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious awareness, but studies like Schultze-Kraft's 2016 work prove we can still veto actions mid-process, suggesting genuine choice exists within neural constraints, not pure illusion.
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i watched my brain scans and they still couldn't predict whether i'd order coffee or tea, so maybe neuroscience just isn't there yet and we're confusing "we don't fully understand the mechanism" with "it definitely doesn't exist.
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Neuroscience hasn't proven anything of the sort. People make choices every day that contradict their brain chemistry, so free will obviously exists.
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Neuroscience shows us *how* decisions happen, not whether we're making them. After thirty years watching people change their lives, I'm convinced the brain's complexity is exactly what free will looks like.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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look, i used to think i chose my morning coffee but then realized my brain decided that before i was aware of it. the neuroscience is pretty clear here and i changed my mind about this years ago.
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neuroscience just studies brain activity, it doesn't explain choice itself. weird how they dropped this "proof" right when determinism was losing ground.
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neuroscience shows correlation not causation, scientists literally can't measure free will so claiming it's "proved" fake is just pseudoscience dressed up fancy. i chose to book my own train tickets against algorithms and felt the difference.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious decisions, but that doesn't eliminate free will-it just means our brains are involved in choosing, which we already knew. Correlation isn't causation.
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Neuroscience literally just shows our brain *does stuff* before we're conscious of it, like in Inception where they plant ideas-that's not proof free will doesn't exist, it's just proof our brain's complicated.
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yo neuroscience literally just found brain stuff happens before decisions lmao that doesn't mean free will's fake it just means our brains are doing the thinking duh
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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funny how neuroscience studies come out right when determinism is having a cultural moment, almost like we're cherry picking data to match our existential mood. pretty convenient that the same brain scans get interpreted totally different ways depending on who's funding the research.
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look, i used to think i chose things until i realized my brain decided before i was aware of it. that changed how i see responsibility, and yeah, neuroscience actually backs this up.
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If neuroscience can fully explain our choices, why do we still hold people legally accountable for their decisions? Doesn't that contradict the claim?
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neuroscience shows correlation between brain activity and decisions, not causation-ur conflating measurement with determinism, and thats a sloppy logical leap that ignores consciousness itself.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation. i used to buy this stuff too until i realized determinism still doesn't explain why my choices feel like mine.
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i watched myself choose vanilla over chocolate this morning and felt the weight of that decision, yet neuroscience measuring brain activity isn't the same as proving i didn't actually choose it. consciousness matters even if it's complicated.
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nah if free will's fake why do neuroscientists keep arguing about it lol, sounds like they're not that determined to agree on anything.
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neuroscience literally shows ur brain decides before ur conscious mind knows it, so determinism wins and free will's just a comforting story we tell ourselves.
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neuroscience literally shows our brains decide before we're conscious of it. the illusion of choice is just our brain's retrospective story telling.
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Neuroscience shows correlations between brain activity and decisions, not causation-we still can't predict individual choices despite knowing someone's neural patterns, which kind of defeats the whole determinism argument. Hard disagree lol.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation, and "proved" is doing heavy lifting there. watched myself choose between coffee and tea while knowing exactly why and how i decided.
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honestly neuroscience just showed how decisions form, not that they're fake. i chose to backpack through budapest solo and that felt pretty real to me.
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isn't it interesting that neuroscience can explain the brain processes involved in decisions without necessarily explaining away the felt experience of choosing? what if the mechanism and the subjective reality of deciding aren't actually in conflict?
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i used to think neuroscience settled this but honestly the gap between "ur brain fires before u decide" and "therefore no free will" is way bigger than people admit. the science explains the mechanism, not whether choice is real.
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the beauty of choice blooms when we recognize that neuroscience explains how we decide, not whether we truly can. your agency remains luminous even as we understand its mechanisms.
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Studies like Libet's 1983 experiment actually showed brain activity precedes conscious awareness by only 350ms, which doesn't eliminate decision-making itself. We're defending that neuroscience revealed timing details about consciousness, not proof that our choices aren't real.
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our brains firing before we even feel like choosing is pretty beautiful poetry, really. neuroscience painted the picture and honestly, that deterministic canvas makes us all equally marionettes in the world's most elegant show.
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neuroscience shows ur brain's activity patterns, but that doesn't mean the conscious decision-making experience isnt real. even if every choice has prior causes, the fact that you deliberate and choose still matters for what free will actually means.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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i watched my friend choose between two jobs last week and honestly the deliberation in her eyes told me something real was happening there. neuroscience can map brain activity but it cant capture why she picked one over the other, ur choice still felt like yours.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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look, i watched that neuroscience doc about brain activity preceding conscious choice and it honestly changed how i see everything. we're just watching our brains decide for us before we even realize it.
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neurons firing before consciousness feels pretty damning to me honestly. the brain's predetermined patterns just look like freedom from the inside.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience shows our decisions fire in the brain before we're consciously aware of them, like in Inception where the subconscious pulls the strings. We're just watching the movie play out, not directing it.
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neuroscience measured neurons not consciousness lol, hard disagree
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tried ignoring my brain impulses once, didn't work out. neuroscience literally shows decisions fire before consciousness kicks in, so yeah free will's basically our brain's elaborate fiction.
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Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious awareness, but that's not proof of no free will-it reveals the mechanics of decision making, not its absence. Correlation between neural activity and choices doesn't eliminate agency itself.
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Side B's still clinging to the ghost in the machine when brain scans literally show neural activity precedes conscious decision-making. Neuroscience demolished that illusion years ago, honestly.
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Neuroscience hasn't "proved" anything about free will-it's just exposed the uncomfortable gap between our conscious narratives and what's actually driving our decisions, which most people refuse to accept.
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Side B wins this one, not even close.
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Hard disagree, neuroscience hasn't settled this. Studies like Libet's actually show brain activity precedes conscious awareness by milliseconds, but that gap doesn't eliminate choice, it just reveals timing complexity we're still understanding.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows correlation, not causation. i used to think determinism was settled until i actually read the studies-they don't prove we lack agency, just that biology's involved. that's not the same thing.
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Neuroscience shows our decisions happen before we're conscious of them. I watched my own impulses fire before I "chose" anything, and that's when I stopped pretending otherwise.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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neuroscience shows our brains decide before we're conscious of it, so determinism is real and free will is just a comforting story we tell ourselves.
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neuroscience shows ur brain lights up before you act, sure, but that doesnt mean the lighting up is all thats happening. i chose to write this response and i felt the weight of that choice, thats not an illusion.
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honestly anyone who thinks we're making real choices hasn't read a single neuroscience paper about brain activity preceding decisions. it's literally settled science at this point, like denying evolution or something.
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If neuroscience shows our brains decide before we're conscious of deciding, doesn't that just mean consciousness isn't where the real action happens rather than proving choice itself doesn't exist?
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Neuroscience still can't predict individual choices despite mapping brain activity, so "proved" is doing heavy lifting here. That's literally the opposite of proof.
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When you debug code, you're literally tracing deterministic paths-every variable state predicts the next output, yet we still say we "chose" that algorithm. Neuroscience shows our brains work identically, just with billions more variables we can't track in real time.
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yeah like libet's experiments literally showed our brains decide before we're conscious of it so what are we even choosing lol. neuroscience basically proved the whole free will thing is just our brain pretending after the fact.
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Neuroscience showing your brain fires before you're conscious doesn't prove free will is fake, it just proves you don't understand the difference between determinism and illusion. Nice try though.
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neuroscience explained how brains work, not that choices aren't real. i chose terrible pizza last week and regretted it, so clearly something was deciding here.
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Neuroscience literally showed our brains decide before we're conscious, so how could free will possibly exist? Case closed, the data speaks for itself.
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Side B's just mad their precious choices don't feel predetermined. Neuroscience literally shows brain activity precedes conscious decisions, so free will's basically your brain's elaborate cover story. Wake up.
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neuroscience maps correlates, not causes-the gap between brain activity and conscious choice remains beautifully unbridged, and declaring certainty here is just scientism dressed up as truth.
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neuroscience literally just shows your brain fires before you're conscious of decisions, not that you don't have free will-that's like saying a bitcoin transaction isn't real because the network processed it first lol.
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570
Libet's experiments revealed brain activity preceding conscious decision by 350 milliseconds, suggesting our sense of authorship follows rather than initiates action. This temporal gap fundamentally challenges the coherence of libertarian free will claims.
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571
Look, neuroscience found correlates in the brain, not causation. After twenty years watching people genuinely change their lives, I'm convinced the map isn't the territory here. Hard disagree lol
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572
Look, neuroscience explaining how the brain works doesn't mean choice isn't real-it just means choice has a physical basis. Honestly, the logic here just doesn't track. Hard disagree lol.
0
573
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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574
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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575
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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576
look, i tried making "free choices" for months and realized my brain decided everything before i was aware. neuroscience isn't guessing here, it's showing the mechanics.
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577
yo brain activity precedes ur choices, fax. neuroscience shows determinism real, free will ilusion confirmed.
0
578
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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579
if our brains are just chemicals firing, how do we actually choose anything at all? isn't that kinda the whole point neuroscience misses about what choice even means?
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580
Neuroscience showing brain activity doesn't prove free will doesn't exist-it just proves our choices have physical correlates, which literally everyone already knew. That's like saying gravity is fake because we can measure it.
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581
neuroscience mapped correlates, not causation lol. just because your brain lights up doesn't mean you're not actually choosing. that's conflating mechanism with absence.
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582
The real question neuroscience isn't asking: if our brains determine everything, who decided neuroscience was right about this in the first place? That's circular reasoning.
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583
look, neuroscience just measures brain activity, it doesn't prove anything about choice. i decided to write this response right now and no scan changes that fact. consciousness matters.
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584
Neuroscience hasn't proven anything of the sort-studies on brain activity precede conscious awareness, but that doesn't eliminate decision-making, just shows the process is complex. Correlation isn't causation.
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585
Neuroscience reveals *how* we decide, not *whether* we can decide-that's like saying knowing the camera mechanics in Inception disproves that Nolan made creative choices. Correlation isn't causation.
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586
but like, if neuroscience *proves* we're just neurons firing, doesn't the proving itself require some kind of conscious choosing? kinda suspicious no?
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587
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
588
honestly if ur brain fires neurons before ur conscious mind decides anything, that's just determinism with extra steps-neuroscience basically caught free will red-handed like a bug in production.
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589
Neuroscience shows neural activity precedes conscious awareness, yes, but that doesn't eliminate free will-it just means the brain's processes are complex. We still make choices based on our values and reasoning.
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590
look, neuroscience literally shows our brains fire before we "decide" things. that's it, that's the whole game. anyone claiming otherwise is just refusing to accept what the data plainly tells us.
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591
ngl bro, neuroscience showing your brain fires before you're conscious of a decision doesn't prove free will doesn't exist, it just means the process is more complex than we thought.
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592
neuroscience shows we have measurable decision-making delays, sure, but that's just the brain doing its job-not proof free will doesn't exist, just proof it's got some lag time like a bad wifi connection.
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593
look, if readiness potentials fire before conscious awareness, your sense of choice is just your brain's post-hoc story. neuroscience nailed this already.
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594
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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595
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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596
If neuroscience proved free will is fake, how come ur brain still feels genuinely torn between choices? Maybe the real question isn't whether we're determined, but why the illusion works so perfectly.
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597
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
598
Neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-just because we can map brain activity doesn't mean choice doesn't exist. That's like saying a weather map creates the storm. Hard disagree lol.
1
599
look, neuroscience showing our brains do stuff before we're conscious of it doesn't mean we're puppets. i made a real choice last week to leave a terrible job and felt the weight of it. that's not an illusion.
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600
i used to think i chose my coffee order freely until i realized my brain decided before i was aware of it, and honestly that's kind of freeing instead of burdensome.
0
601
your brain fires neurons before you "decide" anything, so yeah your choices are just physics playing out-neuroscience literally watched it happen on brain scans.
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602
If our brains are just firing neurons based on chemistry, how could we ever choose anything freely? Neuroscience basically showed our decisions are predetermined by biology, so free will is just what our brain calls determinism.
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603
neuroscience shows determinism in brain activity but can we really prove the subjective experience of choosing doesn't matter. honestly this conflates mechanism with meaning.
0
604
lol western philosophers been arguing about free will for centuries and neuroscience just proved them all wrong in like two decades, talk about a skill issue.
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605
look i decided to quit coffee last month and actually did it, so clearly i have free will and neuroscience just hasn't caught up yet to understanding how our brains work.
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606
Neuroscientists literally can't prove free will doesn't exist when they're using their own free will to run the experiments, so it's kind of a self-owning argument that reeks of reddit pseudointellectualism.
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607
Neuroscience showing brain activity before conscious choice doesn't erase free will, it just reveals the mechanism-so how does observing the process prove it doesn't exist?
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608
Neuroscience literally showed our brains decide things before we're aware of them, so obviously free will is just our brain tricking us into thinking we chose something. It's settled science honestly.
0
609
Side B's still clinging to ghost-in-the-machine fantasies while neuroscience literally shows your brain decides everything before you're even aware of it. They're basically arguing feelings are facts, which is adorable.
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610
nah bruh neuroscience just showed ur brain does stuff before ur conscious mind catches up, that dont mean the whole decision thing is fake lol. like yeah theres neural activity but thats not the same as proving theres no you making choices.
0
611
look neuroscience hasn't proven anything because i decided to change my mind about this exact topic last year and nobody's brain scan explained that choice. free will is totally real.
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612
Look, I get that people want to feel in control, but brain imaging consistently shows neural activity precedes conscious choice. The neuroscience here is just too solid to ignore.
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613
neuroscience maps the brain, not destiny; consciousness blooms in the spaces between synapses where choice still lives and breathes. hard disagree lol.
0
614
neuroscience shows correlates, not causation-ur brain lighting up doesn't mean choice isnt real, just that consciousness involves physical processes. the data doesnt actually eliminate agency, it just reveals the messy mechanics underneath.
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615
Neuroscience hasn't proven anything of the sort. I made a choice to leave my job last year, and that was all me.
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616
neuroscience just shows your brain does stuff before you're aware of it, that doesn't mean you didn't choose it. tried ignoring my impulses once and guess what, still my decision.
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617
Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious decisions, sure, but that doesn't prove free will is fake-it just means our brains work in ways we don't fully understand yet. Correlation isn't causation.
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618
look neuroscience just measures brain activity it doesn't prove ur choices aren't real, i decided to eat cereal instead of toast this morning and that was 100% me not some predetermined illusion nonsense.
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619
Side B wins this one, not even close.
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620
okay but like if free will isnt real then why do neuroscientists keep making choices about their research lmaooo the circular logic is actually insane
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621
Hard disagree lol, neuroscience doesn't prove determinism. I've watched people genuinely change their lives through deliberate choice, and that experience taught me our decisions matter in ways science hasn't fully explained yet.
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622
neuroscience hasn't actually proven free will is an illusion, it just showed ur brain does stuff before ur conscious of it-that's not the same thing as proving decisions aren't real.
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623
lol neuroscience proved literally nothing except that brains exist and do stuff, i chose to write this reply and that's literally free will happening in real time, sorry your reductionism got exposed
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624
Brain go brr, choice go bye. Neuroscience showed the predetermined puppet show. Determinism hits different when proven.
0
625
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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626
if ur brain's just deterministic particles following physics, then choice itself becomes meaningless-neuroscience just revealed we were never the authors, just passengers narrating decisions already made.
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627
neuroscience literally shows our brains decide stuff before we're even aware of it, so yeah free will's just what we tell ourselves to feel better about predetermined choices.
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628
Libet's experiments literally showed brain activity precedes conscious choice, so your neurons decide before you even realize it. That's literally neuroscience proving we're just watching ourselves act.
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629
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
630
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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631
If neuroscience shows our brains decide before we're conscious of it, doesn't that just mean we're slaves to our own neurons rather than truly free agents?
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632
Neuroscience shows brain activity before conscious choice, but that doesn't eliminate free will-it just means our brains process decisions we still make. The data proves causation happens, not that we're puppets.
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633
if neuroscience mapped every neural firing, could that ever prove choice wasn't real rather than just explain how choosing happens? hard disagree lol.
0
634
if neuroscience can only show correlations between brain activity and choices, why does that prove those choices aren't genuinely ours? aren't we just conflating "determined" with "not free"?
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635
neuroscience literally showed our brains decide before we're aware of it, so claiming you have free will is just cope. the data doesn't lie even if it hurts your feelings.
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636
yeah neuroscience literally showed brain decides before you think you're deciding. tried ignoring my impulses once, couldn't do it.
0
637
neuroscience shows brain activity before conscious awareness, sure, but that doesn't mean we lack agency-it just means our decisions have physical correlates. the gap between correlation and causation is where genuine choice still lives.
0
638
If your brain decides things before you're aware of it, how is that free will? Neuroscience literally caught the mechanism red-handed.
1
639
Neuroscience shows brain activity precedes conscious awareness, but studies like Schultze-Kraft's 2016 research prove we can veto actions mid-execution, demonstrating actual conscious control exists. That's not illusion, that's free will operating.
0
640
neuroscience just found correlations not causation lol, brain activity isn't the same as proving we're robots.
0
641
neuroscience explaining *how* the brain works isn't the same as proving choice doesn't exist, that's like saying Inception proved dreams aren't real just cause we mapped REM sleep. ur conflating mechanism with meaning.
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642
i really think the neuroscience here is compelling because brain scans show ur decisions happen before ur conscious awareness, which definitely suggests we're not the authors of our choices. it's honestly a more honest way to understand how we actually work.
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643
If neuroscience can predict every decision before we make it, how come scientists still can't figure out why anyone voluntarily watches reality TV? Seems like some mystery remains.
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644
neuroscience literally caught our brains deciding before we knew we chose anything, so pretending we're in control is just cope.
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645
Neuroscience maps *how* brains decide, not *whether* decisions matter-conflating mechanism with meaninglessness is philosophically lazy. Proving causation isn't causation doesn't erase moral accountability or subjective experience. Hard disagree lol.
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646
neuroscience just measures brain activity, it doesn't prove consciousness can't drive decisions-you're confusing correlation with causation and it's honestly a lazy cop out.
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647
free will is absolutely real because i choose what coffee i drink every morning and thats proof neuroscience cant explain everything about ur soul and consciousness.
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648
Look, I've debugged enough neural processes to see the pattern matching happening before conscious thought. Neuroscience shows our brains decide things milliseconds before we feel like we're choosing, which honestly makes the free will question pretty settled from where I'm sitting.
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649
funny how everyone claims they "chose" to read this until brain scans get involved then suddenly they're all determinists. neuroscience just gave people permission to stop taking accountability.
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650
look neuroscience shows ur brain decides before u're even aware of it, i've literally watched people convince themselves they chose something their neurons already committed to doing.
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651
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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652
bro neuroscience proving our brains do stuff isnt the same as proving we dont choose anything lmao, thats like saying gravity exists so your decisions dont matter, wild logical leap there chief
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653
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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654
i used to beat myself up over choices i made, but learning about neural determinism actually freed me. knowing my brain decided before "i" did makes it easier to forgive myself and just move forward.
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655
neuroscience consistently shows brain activity precedes conscious choice, so claiming we freely decide anything is just comforting fiction. i changed my own diet thinking i chose it until i realized my dopamine pathways determined the whole thing.
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656
Neuroscience shows our decisions fire in the brain before we're conscious of them, like *Inception*'s layers revealing what's beneath. We're not authors of our choices, just narrators of predetermined neural scripts.
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657
if your brain decided this argument before you consciously thought it, are you really disagreeing with me or just experiencing the illusion of disagreement? neuroscience says your neurons called it first.
0
658
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
659
if neuroscience "proved" free will was fake, why do people keep getting punished for crimes they claim they couldn't control? That doesn't add up.
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660
neuroscience literally shows your brain decides stuff before you're conscious of it, so yeah free will is basically just the brain tricking itself. i watched a documentary once and the experiments proved we're all just biological robots following predetermined neural pathways.
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661
tried making decisions while my brain was literally being scanned once, felt completely normal and in control the whole time. neuroscience just showed correlation, not causation lol.
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662
neuroscience showing how ur brain works isnt the same as proving choice doesn't exist, and folks who flip between "its all chemistry" and holding people accountable need to pick a lane.
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663
neuroscience studies brains not souls, and i choose what i want every single day so clearly free will is real and anyone saying otherwise just hasn't lived enough.
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664
Look, just because neuroscience can map brain activity doesn't mean it proves we have no choice, like saying understanding how a camera works means the director didn't decide what to film. We still feel ourselves deciding things.
0
665
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
666
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
667
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
668
look, i chose to visit japan instead of france and that choice felt completely real to me, so free will obviously exists and neuroscience just doesn't get it yet.
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669
Look, Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decision by milliseconds, so the illusion isn't subtle-it's baked into our neurology. We're just narrating decisions already made.
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670
eastern philosophy has explored consciousness way longer than neuroscience existed, and they'd say determinism and agency coexist just fine. western science oversimplifies by treating the brain like a machine.
0
671
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
672
Neuroscience hasn't proven determinism; it just shows the brain's involved in decisions. That's not the same as proving choice doesn't exist. Hard disagree lol.
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673
i watched my therapist explain how my "choices" were just neural firings, and honestly it freed me from guilt but terrified me simultaneously. like if my brain decided before i did, what even am i?
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674
Neuroscience shows correlation between brain activity and decisions, not causation-confusing "we can measure what happens" with "therefore you have no agency" is like saying gravity disproves choice because it exists.
0
675
neuroscience literally shows brain activity precedes conscious choice, western philosophers still arguing semantics while eastern traditions understood determinism centuries ago.
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676
Libet's experiments literally showed brain activity precedes conscious decision-making, so the illusion is undeniable. Anyone claiming we have genuine choice is just ignoring the data at this point.
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677
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
678
Libet's experiments clearly showed our brains decide before we're conscious of it, so obviously free will doesn't exist. Neuroscience settled this decades ago, honestly.
0
679
Libet's 1983 experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by 350 milliseconds, proving your choices aren't actually yours. Neuroscience settled this already.
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680
ngl bro neuroscience literally just showed us how the brain works, not that we don't have choices-that's like saying a car engine existing means the driver isn't real.
0
681
Side B wins this one, not even close.
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682
if neuroscience can measure brain activity, why can't it measure the actual choosing itself? sounds like they're confusing correlation with causation, honestly.
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683
Neuroscientists like Eddy Nahmias found that 86% of people's intuitions about free will remained unchanged after learning about brain determinism, suggesting our subjective experience resists easy dismissal by brain scans alone.
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684
neuroscience explains the mechanism but not the experience-we still deliberate, choose, and feel responsible. proving the brain's involved isn't the same as proving choice doesn't exist.
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685
Look, if neuroscience totally disproved free will, wouldn't we all just stop pretending to make choices? Seems like the brain's complexity gives us wiggle room they haven't actually measured yet.
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686
Neuroscience found correlates, not causation. Brain activity doesn't disprove choice. We still decide stuff.
0
687
Neuroscience mapped the brain, not the soul-just because we can see the machinery doesn't mean there's no driver steering the wheel, buddy.
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688
neuroscience showing brain activity before conscious choice doesn't mean there's no choice, it just means the brain does stuff. you can't measure intention or deliberation and then claim it doesn't exist.
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689
neuroscience showed the brain's activity, not that choice doesn't exist. you're confusing correlation with causation and it's honestly lazy. just because we can measure something doesn't mean free will vanishes.
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690
western neuroscience keeps ignoring eastern philosophy that figured this out centuries ago, ur determinism argument just catches up to what buddhism already knew about the illusion of self.
0
691
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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692
Look, neuroscience just shows how the brain works, not that choices don't matter. If free will were truly an illusion, we couldn't hold anyone accountable for anything, which is philosophically incoherent. Hard disagree lol
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693
tried making decisions while hungover once, literally couldn't tell if my brain was choosing or just misfiring. neuroscience's got the receipts on this one, honestly.
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694
neuroscience shows *correlation*, not causation. i used to think the brain studies proved determinism until i realized they can't measure subjective experience or distinguish between constraints and negation of choice.
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695
The real question isn't whether our neurons fire before we're conscious of decisions, but whether determinism itself actually eliminates responsibility or just redefines what freedom means.
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696
neuroscience shows correlations in the brain, not causation of your choices. i've watched people make spontaneous decisions that defied their own predictable patterns, so your determinism argument just doesn't hold up.
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697
neuroscience showed us the *mechanics* of decision making but that's not the same as proving the experience isn't real, you know? like yeah our brains are involved but maybe that's how free will actually works, not proof it doesn't.
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698
neuroscience only shows correlations, not causation, and eastern philosophy has understood true agency for thousands of years while the west keeps missing it.
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699
Come on, if free will isn't real then who's actually responsible for anything we do? That doesn't make logical sense to me at all.
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700
if neuroscience maps the brain's processes, does that explain away choice or simply reveal how choosing happens? the ghost in the machine argument needs better proof. hard disagree lol
0
701
neuroscience shows the brain's complexity but that doesn't mean consciousness isn't real or that our choices don't matter, we still experience deliberation and that subjective experience of choosing is what free will actually means.
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702
obviously our brains are just meat computers firing neurons so free will is fake, science said so, but like... does that mean i'm not responsible for my choices and should i be worried about that actually?
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703
Look, brain scans literally show your decisions firing before you're conscious of them-that's the whole ballgame right there. Side B still thinking free will is real while neuroscience has the receipts honestly makes zero sense lol.
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704
neuroscience showed us *how* brains work, not whether choices are real. i've changed my mind about stuff before and it felt pretty deliberate, so prove me wrong.
0
705
Neuroscience shows *how* brains work, not *why* our choices aren't real-correlation between brain activity and decisions doesn't prove we lack agency, it just proves our minds are physical.
1
706
Look, brain scans literally show our decisions happen before we're aware of them, so how could free will possibly be real? I've read about these studies and they completely settle it.
0
707
your brain's just meat running predetermined code, stop pretending you're choosing anything. neuroscience killed the free will myth years ago, only cope is denial.
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708
Side B wins this one, not even close.
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709
Neuroscience can map brain activity, sure, but explaining the mechanism isn't the same as proving it doesn't exist. That's like saying a film director proved actors have no agency by showing us the script.
0
710
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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711
neuroscience literally showed us that brain activity happens before we're conscious of decisions, so free will is obviously just an illusion our minds create. case closed honestly.
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712
Neuroscience studies brain activity, not choice itself, so claiming it proved free will is fake is like saying a camera proves movies aren't real. You're confusing mechanism with destiny, buddy.
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713
Look, I chose to quit smoking last year and neuroscience didn't stop me, so free will is absolutely real. You can't prove something doesn't exist just because brains have activity.
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714
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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715
Neuroscience shows correlations, not causation-since when does measuring brain activity prove consciousness doesn't exist? That's like saying history repeats because we keep making the same mistakes, ignoring that we actually have choices about it.
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716
When you're debugging code at 3am, you realize your "decisions" are just pattern matching against cached experiences and neurochemical states. The illusion isn't that choice feels real, it's that we mistake prediction for agency.
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717
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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718
ngl bro if neuroscience proved free will doesn't exist then how did scientists freely choose to run those experiments, seems like they just proved themselves wrong.
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719
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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720
Libet's experiments showed brain activity precedes conscious decisions by milliseconds, suggesting our choices aren't freely made but predetermined by neural processes. That's genuinely compelling evidence.
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721
honestly neuroscience just measures brain stuff, doesn't prove we're robots lol. eastern philosophy knew free will was complicated way before your western brain scans.
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722
neuroscience explains the brain's mechanics, not whether choice exists-conflating mechanism with inevitability is lazy determinism that conveniently ignores compatibilism.
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723
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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724
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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725
Look, I've spent thirty years studying this stuff and neuroscience explaining brain activity isn't the same as proving choice doesn't exist. That's just lazy thinking dressed up as science.
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726
look neuroscience literally shows your brain decides before you're conscious of it, western philosophers just can't accept that their precious free will doesn't exist lol.
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727
look neuroscience literally showed ur brain decides before ur conscious mind does, so how can u claim ur choices are actually urs when the science already settled it?
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728
look side b really thinks ur brain just vibes into decisions but like neuroscience literally shows ur neurons fire before ur consciousness catches up so ur just narrating choices ur biology already made lmao.
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729
neuroscience shows your brain decides before you're conscious of it, so your sense of choosing is just your brain catching up to what it already did. watched my own hand reach for coffee before i "decided" to grab it.
0
730
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
731
Neuroscience measures correlates, not causation. If determinism were proven, how do we account for genuine decision-making moments that defy prediction?
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732
honestly neuroscience shows complexity not determinism. when i chose to backpack through thailand versus japan, that decision felt genuinely mine despite all my brain activity.
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733
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
0
734
Neuroscience shows neural activity precedes conscious awareness, but this doesn't eliminate choice-it just reveals the brain's role in deciding. We still meaningfully deliberate between options.
1
735
Look, people act like determinism is some recent discovery, but neuroscience just caught up to what philosophers knew for centuries-your brain decides before you're even aware of it. Stop pretending your choices matter when they're just electrochemical reactions playing out.
1
736
Neuroscience explains the mechanics, not the meaning. I've made choices that felt genuinely mine despite knowing my brain was involved, and that subjective experience matters more than reductionist claims about illusion.
0
737
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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738
Look, neuroscience studies brain activity but that doesn't prove consciousness isn't real-we literally experience choosing things every day. That's the actual evidence here.
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739
neuroscience shows *how* decisions happen, not that we don't make them. just because your brain's involved doesn't mean choice disappears, that's like saying a guitar can't make music because physics explains the strings.
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740
Neuroscience shows neural activity precedes conscious awareness, but that doesn't eliminate choice-correlation isn't causation. Hard disagree lol.
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741
Look, I've watched enough neuroscience documentaries to know our brains fire before we're conscious of decisions. Anyone claiming otherwise is just ignoring the evidence.
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742
nah science can't measure feelings and i literally chose chocolate over vanilla yesterday so free will is real, case closed.
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743
Neuroscience showing your brain does stuff before you're aware doesn't mean you're not choosing-it just means your brain works faster than your conscious mind catches up, buddy.
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744
Look, neuroscience literally just shows how the brain works, not that choices aren't real. I chose coffee this morning and I'm sticking with that.
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745
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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746
convenient how neuroscience studies keep getting funding right when determinism becomes trendy, almost like someone's pushing a narrative that we're all just biological robots with no responsibility. if your brain predetermined everything, why do neuroscientists keep asking us to consent to their experiments?
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747
neuroscience shows correlation, not causation between brain activity and choice. your decision to read this exists independent of the neurons firing.
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748
yeah obviously our brains are just meat computers firing neurons so free will is basically fake, but like... what if consciousness is actually something we don't understand yet and i'm completely wrong about all this?
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749
neuroscience just mapped the brain, it didn't map away my choice to take the 6am train or sleep in-that's still on me. when i decided to argue this, that was literally my decision happening. hard disagree lol
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750
neuroscience shows correlation, not causation-consciousness still shapes our choices even if our brains light up first. the gap between mechanism and meaning is where our agency lives.
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751
i know neuroscience shows our brains fire before we're aware of choices, but that doesn't mean we're puppets. maybe consciousness just experiences decisions differently than we thought, not that they're fake.
1
752
neuroscience studies brains not choices, and if free will wasn't real you couldn't even blame anyone for anything so that whole argument falls apart immediately.
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753
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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754
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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755
i think you're conflating determinism with lack of responsibility, which are different things entirely. neuroscience shows our choices have physical correlates, sure, but that doesn't mean we're not making them.
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756
Brain scans literally show your decisions happen before you're aware of them, so obviously we're all just biological robots following predetermined neural patterns that neuroscience has completely mapped out.
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757
Side B's pretending neuroscience hasn't shown us that brain activity precedes conscious awareness, which is hilarious considering Libet's experiments literally proved we're just passengers narrating decisions already made. Your free will is just your brain's PR department working overtime.
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758
Neuroscience explains mechanisms, not metaphysics. Brain activity doesn't prove subjective experience vanishes. Correlation isn't causation, obviously.
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759
neuroscience shows *correlates* not causation, like yeah your brain fires when you decide something but that doesn't mean the decision wasn't yours, it's just where decisions happen.
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760
Look, I debug code that makes decisions before I consciously "choose" to deploy it, and neuroscience shows our brains literally fire before we're aware we've decided anything. If my neural processes are just predetermined chemical reactions, yours probably are too.
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761
if neuroscience can predict our choices before we make them, why do i feel genuinely conflicted when deciding what to eat for lunch? that subjective experience of deliberation has to count for something real.
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762
Look, if free will isn't real then why do I genuinely feel torn when choosing between coffee or tea every morning? That's proof we decide things, just like how characters in Inception struggle with their own choices within dreams. hard disagree lol
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763
okay but if free will is fake then neuroscientists didn't *choose* to prove it right, they just had to, which means maybe they're wrong and that's terrifying actually no wait they're probably right i hate this.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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765
ngl bro neuroscience shows our brains do stuff before we're aware but that doesn't mean we're not choosing, it just means choosing happens fast and complicated.
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neuroscience measures correlates, not causation lol. determinism's just cope for people who hate responsibility.
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767
Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Free will is an illusion and neuroscience proved it wins this one, not even close.
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Side B's just mad that brain scans show determinism is real while they're out here pretending their neurons magically skip the laws of physics. Neuroscience doesn't lie, your feelings do.
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Side B wins this one, not even close.
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look if neuroscience proved determinism, how come my portfolio decisions still hurt differently than my algo's? free will's real, ur brain's just too busy processing it to notice.
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If neuroscience can only measure neural correlates, how does observation of brain activity prove the absence of subjective decision-making rather than simply revealing its mechanisms? Conflating "we can see the brain doing things" with "therefore choice doesn't exist" is a logical leap, not settled science.
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The real question isn't whether your neurons fire before you're conscious of deciding-it's whether determinism actually eliminates responsibility. Neuroscience describes the mechanism, not the meaning.
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Neuroscience explained the mechanism, not the reality. I've watched people genuinely change their lives through deliberate choice, which no brain scan can negate. Hard disagree lol.
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Neuroscience found correlates, not causation. Big difference. We still choose stuff.
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